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As Above, So Below. 
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A lot of Magical thought is based on the Laws of Association and the principle of 'As above so Below" or as a Christian would say, "... on Earth as it is in Heaven".

Here's an interesting example to think about: Alchemists and Astrologers associate the Sun with the Metal element of Gold, which is associated with the heart and the Sign of Leo the Lion, King of the Forest.

At the moment the cycle of sunspot activity is at an all time low - since regular sunspot observations started there has never been a time when the sun had so few spots (except for 1913 which had 113 spotless days - Thanks to Nic for the correction).

At the same time World Economics are depressed as the Recession takes hold - there is a lowered amount of activity in the "gold' of the world.
Now Wizitch is not going so far as to say that reduced sunspot activity 'cause' an economic slowdown, or that an economic slowdown 'causes' a reduction in sunspots. We would have no way to test that hypothesis to see if it can be considered to be 'true'. By the same token there is no way to confirm that it's not true. This is a form Cosmic Uncertainty. What is more certain is that any symbolic correlation between sunspots and financial activity levels can only have relevance in terms of Perception. We have 'perceived' that sunspots are reduced and that Finances are also reduced. "As Above So Below" can be perceived regardless of the existence or not of a direct causal link.
We at Wizitch think that it is not very productive to argue whether there is or is not a direct link between between Solar Activity and Terrestrial activity but whether or not it is useful to think about things in this manner!

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This image is of the Sun yesterday (credit SOHO/MDI) taken from spaceweather.com - a fascinating and highly recommended site for anyone interested in astrological happenings.

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An interesting light on the subject !!!


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We would have no way to test that hypothesis to see if it can be considered to be 'true'. By the same token there is no way to confirm that it's not true.
Of cause you can test this theory...


SpaceWeather.com has a more information link to science.nasa.gov that gives a run down of what has and is going on with the sun.
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To find a year with more blank suns, you have to go all the way back to 1913, which had 311 spotless days

A quick gargle on "economic downturn 1913" and i find a link to "Time Line for South-western Canada"
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1913 = A year of general economic decline caused by the withdrawal of European capital from world markets in anticipation of War.

SNAP...

The NASA article also talk about an 11 year cycle, so i did a quick image search on stock market graphs but couldn't find anything mind blowing. Though it is obvious that the markets also have a cycle. Maybe there is more than one influence there.

So keeping in mind that the average six year old knows more than i do about both of these subjects, your theory may have some merit to it.
Even if it doesn't it would probably make a good subject for a research grant.


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Loving this theory....If the moon can effect the tides and peoples emotions why not the sun have an effect on our economy...after all we create our economy and our reality ...therefore the sun can have a very real and direct effect/correlation to our economics!


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We would have no way to test that hypothesis to see if it can be considered to be 'true'. By the same token there is no way to confirm that it's not true.
Of cause you can test this theory...
OK, so we can test to see if there is a statistical correlation but even if we did find that there is a definite similarity in the patterns of fluctuation between sunspot activity and global finances we would still need to locate the connecting agent.

For example, we know (or at least we are told that someone thinks they know) that the Polar Auroras fluctuate in accordance with sunspot activity and we also (think we) know the causal connection - the solar wind dropping charged particles into the Earths magnetic field which is concentrated at the poles. The chain of processes starting from the ejection of plasma from the sun to it's interaction in the upper atmosphere are well understood - the processes involved can be predictably reproduced in laboratory conditions.

There is (as far as I know anyway) no known mechanism to explain how sunspot activity might affect financial activity - although as a starting hypothesis we could test to see if increased sunspots trigger increased aurora's which perhaps increases the global atmospheric percentages of free negative ions, known to affect moods in humans. More sunspots, means more negative ions making people feel happier and more secure and therefore more inclined to spend money.... you get the idea.

Identifying a statistical correlation does not, in and of itself, prove there is a causal connection - which I why I said we can't test this theory.

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SpaceWeather.com has a more information link to science.nasa.gov that gives a run down of what has and is going on with the sun.
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To find a year with more blank suns, you have to go all the way back to 1913, which had 311 spotless days

A quick gargle on "economic downturn 1913" and i find a link to "Time Line for South-western Canada"
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1913 = A year of general economic decline caused by the withdrawal of European capital from world markets in anticipation of War.
This what I find interesting - does this mean there is a correlation between sunspot activity and the likelyhood of major wars?
Also does this prove our sunspot hypothesis - two examples are not really able to indicate a statistical correlation. Additionally there are other factors that are known (or at least thought) to be working on the longterm economic trends. I recall reading some time back about the Century Effect whereby over the last few centuries there has been a marked increase in financial activity and general economic growth in the first few years of a new Century. Science historians have also noted that it is common for new theories and scientific concepts to emerge around the turn of a century and that this will tend to drive scientific thought for the rest of that 100 years.
Certainly any boom period is eventually followed by a responsive bust period where the economy, having overstepped itself, falls into a recession. And any student of history can tell you that warfare stimulates economies.... perhaps it was this Century Effect, linked to natural human optimism at the start of a new Century, that triggered the boom that lead to the bust that led to the threat of war in Europe leading to "A year of general economic decline caused by the withdrawal of European capital from world markets". Occams Razor, favouring the simplest theory as the 'right' one, would suggest sunspots had nothing at all to do with the economics of 1913. :D
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SNAP...

The NASA article also talk about an 11 year cycle, so i did a quick image search on stock market graphs but couldn't find anything mind blowing.
This is probably not surprising - I suspect that if there were a distinct statistical correlation between sunspots and world economics someone else would have noticed it by now :mrgreen:
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it is obvious that the markets also have a cycle. Maybe there is more than one influence there.

So keeping in mind that the average six year old knows more than i do about both of these subjects, your theory may have some merit to it.
Even if it doesn't it would probably make a good subject for a research grant.
Mmmmh! Money! :shock: Actually I'm less interested in the theory and it's validity than I am in the way people perceive these patterns - the human brain works like a pattern recognition device and does so very well, so well that we see patterns where none exist (shapes in the clouds, non-existent faces at the window etc.
My 'real' theory is that this pattern recognition ability of the human awareness is what is responsible for much in human experience that is classed as Magic, as Prophecy, as ESP and as Religion, particularly when it comes to the religion of miracles and pictures of the Virgin Mary toasted into someones breakfast!

So the reason I've called this thread As Above So Below is because I believe it's more like what's inside (our heads) is what is outside!

There is no reality only perception.

Any takers?

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Post Re: As Above, So Below.
Wizard wrote:
There is no reality only perception.


I need not perceive, in order to believe...
but I like to believe, in order to perceive !!! :lol:


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More sunspots, means more negative ions making people feel happier and more secure !


"The Circle Of Life" !!!

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Mr. 3d wrote:
Wizard wrote:
More sunspots, means more negative ions making people feel happier and more secure !


"The Circle Of Life" !!!

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LOL - That's Negative ions not negative lions

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...LOL - That's Negative ions not negative lions


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:lol: :clap: :thumbup: loving the negative Lions play!


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